The Aboard Podcast (Paul Ford & Rich Ziade) — 'we are swimming in this corruption so much so that we don't even know what to call it'

Paul Ford and Rich Ziade — the Postlight veterans turned AI-transformation operators behind Aboard — host Eric for a wide-ranging episode about Incorruptible, framing the book as a structural diagnosis of why the things people quietly know are broken about modern companies feel inevitable. Eric uses the conversation to put the word corruption back in play.

“we are swimming in this corruption so much so that we don't even know what to call it. Like I go around, I've been talking to young people, old people, board members, se we all live this thing where brands are being destroyed, where companies become malign, where like we're constantly being betrayed and we've been taught that it's normal.” — Eric Ries on The Aboard Podcast